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Whether or not any form of [[mind uploading]] to go beyond [[biological immortality]] and reach as [[posthuman transhumanism|posthuman]] existence is possible is increasingly seen as a set of technological problems, especially by transhumanists. None the less, there are a number of technical and philosophical '''problems with mind uploading''' currently inadequately addressed.
 
Whether or not any form of [[mind uploading]] to go beyond [[biological immortality]] and reach as [[posthuman transhumanism|posthuman]] existence is possible is increasingly seen as a set of technological problems, especially by transhumanists. None the less, there are a number of technical and philosophical '''problems with mind uploading''' currently inadequately addressed.
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== You're gone ==
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=== You're dead ===
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Death, [[deathism|no matter what some people say]] is bad. Dying whilst literally trying to live forever would bad too. Destructive methods that kill you and replace you with a duplicate that thinks their you might not be enough.
  
== Left over copies ==
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=== Left over copies ===
 
Most [[human cloning|forms of duplication]] of yourself lead to the problem of having an extra version of yourself which, in scifi at least, tends of quickly get killed off.
 
Most [[human cloning|forms of duplication]] of yourself lead to the problem of having an extra version of yourself which, in scifi at least, tends of quickly get killed off.
  
However this is even more problematic when you consider things such as [[non-destructive uploading]], you can disagree with you, which you is the real you.
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However this is even more problematic when you consider things such as [[non-destructive uploading]], you can disagree with you, which you is the real you. Breaks in consciousness are scary.
  
 
''See also: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExpendableClone TvTropes:Expendable Clone]''
 
''See also: [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExpendableClone TvTropes:Expendable Clone]''
  
== You're dead ==
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=== What about the soul? ===
Death, [[deathism|no matter what some people say]] is bad. Dying whilst literally trying to live forever would bad too. Destructive methods that kill you and replace you with a duplicate that thinks their you might not be enough.
 
 
 
Breaks in consciousness are scary.
 
== What about the soul? ==
 
 
For the purposes of secular discussion we usually discount the possibility of a soul as immeasurably things cannot by our current understanding of the laws of nature affect or interact with us.
 
For the purposes of secular discussion we usually discount the possibility of a soul as immeasurably things cannot by our current understanding of the laws of nature affect or interact with us.
  
 
For deeper exploration of this issue [[religious transhumanism]] may have the answers for you.
 
For deeper exploration of this issue [[religious transhumanism]] may have the answers for you.
== Non-materialist physicalism renders the mind uncomputable ==
 
Perhaps there is something irreducibly complex at the quantum level about the nature of the mind and consciousness that for computational reasons cannot be transfered, modified or emulated.
 
  
[[Panpsychism]]<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism</ref> suggests a universe of minds rather than matter may be complex to square with a physicalist universe.<ref>[https://philpapers.org/browse/the-combination-problem-for-panpsychism The Combination Problem for Panpsychism]</ref>
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== You're lost ==
== Loss of identity coherence ==
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=== Non-materialist physicalism renders the mind uncomputable ===
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Perhaps there is something irreducibly complex at the quantum level about the nature of the mind and consciousness that for computational reasons cannot be transfered, modified or emulated. This would require rejection of the [[Church–Turing thesis]]'s<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church%E2%80%93Turing_thesis</ref> applicability to the human brain. Similarly, the hard problem of consciousness<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness</ref> may stand in the way here.
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[[Panpsychism]]<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panpsychism</ref> suggests a universe of minds rather than matter may be complex to square with a physicalist universe<ref>[https://philpapers.org/browse/the-combination-problem-for-panpsychism The Combination Problem for Panpsychism]</ref> or even mind-body dualism.
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=== Loss of identity coherence ===
 
Even if a form of consciousness continuity is possible, the new substrate may not be able to function is such a way that 'you' are 'you' for much longer. This could lead to anything from becoming a schizophrenic vegetable to a human hating AI-like [[paperclip maxmizier]] within seconds.
 
Even if a form of consciousness continuity is possible, the new substrate may not be able to function is such a way that 'you' are 'you' for much longer. This could lead to anything from becoming a schizophrenic vegetable to a human hating AI-like [[paperclip maxmizier]] within seconds.
== Non-consensual copies ==
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=== Non-consensual copies ===
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''Main: [[Mind security]]''
 
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E</embedvideo|300|right|[[Tom Scott]]: Welcome to Life: the singularity, ruined by lawyers  |frame}}
 
{{#ev:youtube|https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E</embedvideo|300|right|[[Tom Scott]]: Welcome to Life: the singularity, ruined by lawyers  |frame}}
 
Is your mind your intellectual property? Because you may run into all sort of problems.
 
Is your mind your intellectual property? Because you may run into all sort of problems.
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But forget about AI, what about criminals, reckless relatives, the government?<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)#Part_II</ref> There could be no end of people who want a piece of your mind!
 
But forget about AI, what about criminals, reckless relatives, the government?<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)#Part_II</ref> There could be no end of people who want a piece of your mind!
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== See also ==
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* [[A Taxonomy and Metaphysics of Mind-Uploading]]
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* [http://hplusmagazine.com/2013/04/21/goertzel-contra-dvorsky-on-mind-uploading/ Goertzel Contra Dvorsky on Mind Uploading] - [[Ben Goertzel]] refutes '[http://io9.com/you-ll-probably-never-upload-your-mind-into-a-computer-474941498 You Might Never Upload Your Brain Into a Computer]' by [[George Dvorsky]]
  
 
== References ==
 
== References ==
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[[Category:Opposition to transhumanism]]
 
[[Category:Opposition to transhumanism]]
 
[[Category:Opposition to life extension]]
 
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Latest revision as of 19:59, 4 September 2018

CGP Grey: The Trouble with Transporters
exurb1a: Problems With Mind Uploading

Whether or not any form of mind uploading to go beyond biological immortality and reach as posthuman existence is possible is increasingly seen as a set of technological problems, especially by transhumanists. None the less, there are a number of technical and philosophical problems with mind uploading currently inadequately addressed.

You're gone

You're dead

Death, no matter what some people say is bad. Dying whilst literally trying to live forever would bad too. Destructive methods that kill you and replace you with a duplicate that thinks their you might not be enough.

Left over copies

Most forms of duplication of yourself lead to the problem of having an extra version of yourself which, in scifi at least, tends of quickly get killed off.

However this is even more problematic when you consider things such as non-destructive uploading, you can disagree with you, which you is the real you. Breaks in consciousness are scary.

See also: TvTropes:Expendable Clone

What about the soul?

For the purposes of secular discussion we usually discount the possibility of a soul as immeasurably things cannot by our current understanding of the laws of nature affect or interact with us.

For deeper exploration of this issue religious transhumanism may have the answers for you.

You're lost

Non-materialist physicalism renders the mind uncomputable

Perhaps there is something irreducibly complex at the quantum level about the nature of the mind and consciousness that for computational reasons cannot be transfered, modified or emulated. This would require rejection of the Church–Turing thesis's[1] applicability to the human brain. Similarly, the hard problem of consciousness[2] may stand in the way here.

Panpsychism[3] suggests a universe of minds rather than matter may be complex to square with a physicalist universe[4] or even mind-body dualism.

Loss of identity coherence

Even if a form of consciousness continuity is possible, the new substrate may not be able to function is such a way that 'you' are 'you' for much longer. This could lead to anything from becoming a schizophrenic vegetable to a human hating AI-like paperclip maxmizier within seconds.

Non-consensual copies

Main: Mind security

Tom Scott: Welcome to Life: the singularity, ruined by lawyers

Is your mind your intellectual property? Because you may run into all sort of problems.

First of all, what if a powerful AI scanned you or even ran a powerful simulation of you in order to see how you'd respond to millions of scenarios? How do you know you're not in that simulation already?

But forget about AI, what about criminals, reckless relatives, the government?[5] There could be no end of people who want a piece of your mind!

See also

References